another sad one
wanna make you all sad
hahaha
01 March 2010
28 February 2010
27 February 2010
well, i suppose it would be nice
to spare a thought for wonglon
on an unrelated note
i'm sure most of the g1 people has read
the confusing mail from yenee
do yall want me to ask her about the wednesday thing
or yall don't mind going for a tuesday class ?
on an unrelated note
i'm sure most of the g1 people has read
the confusing mail from yenee
do yall want me to ask her about the wednesday thing
or yall don't mind going for a tuesday class ?
26 February 2010
happy birthday prophet muhammad
so i heard from frendy that there may be some
sort of field trip during exploration week
oh whoop de doo
rhythm and hues sdn bhd http://www.rhythm.com/malaysia/
never knew there exists such a place
sort of field trip during exploration week
oh whoop de doo
rhythm and hues sdn bhd http://www.rhythm.com/malaysia/
never knew there exists such a place
12 February 2010
kay then, happy early cny everyone
i probably should post a related video
but i'm lazy
so here's an unrelated video kwanyew found
but i'm lazy
so here's an unrelated video kwanyew found
08 February 2010
06 February 2010
05 February 2010
03 February 2010
31 January 2010
30 January 2010
29 January 2010
whoa, she sent 3 times
well, it's actually all different but still same,
so hardworking, here's what she sent :
Hi DG078-1 Group 1,
I would like to inform about the cancelation of class on next week (3 Feb 2010) since I will be on sick leave for one week. Replacement class will be held on week 8 exploration week. So the next class will be on 10 Feb 2010, Monday.
For the second weekly evaluation on the week after next week (10 Feb 2010), basically you all have to improve and further develop your portfolio website based on the comments and feedbacks given from us (me and tutor) during the first weekly evaluation. For those who did not turn up for the first weekly evaluation, there will be no replacement anymore and you will get zero marks.
So for next round, basically you need to provide the following:
- propose new idea or refine the current idea (if you are advised to do so)
- continue doing research and to document every progress as well as development on workbook (e.g. references of websites, books, graphics, animations, navigation design, etc.)
- provide brief descriptions on workbook to explain on the research you have done (e.g. as in how those resources inspire you, etc.)
- provide more in depth or detail sketches that are able to show your proposed interface designs, layout designs, and navigation designs
- site map can be produced as well in order to show the overview of the website structure and hierarchy
- do think about the colors schemes of the site (e.g. you may design digital layout of your web pages using Illustrator and/or Photoshop)
See you all then. Have fun working with your portfolio website.
Cheers,
yennee
plus she added a supposedly updated version of the 3 lesson 4 files in th first mail
she sent to everyone so can download from your mail
so hardworking, here's what she sent :
Hi DG078-1 Group 1,
I would like to inform about the cancelation of class on next week (3 Feb 2010) since I will be on sick leave for one week. Replacement class will be held on week 8 exploration week. So the next class will be on 10 Feb 2010, Monday.
For the second weekly evaluation on the week after next week (10 Feb 2010), basically you all have to improve and further develop your portfolio website based on the comments and feedbacks given from us (me and tutor) during the first weekly evaluation. For those who did not turn up for the first weekly evaluation, there will be no replacement anymore and you will get zero marks.
So for next round, basically you need to provide the following:
- propose new idea or refine the current idea (if you are advised to do so)
- continue doing research and to document every progress as well as development on workbook (e.g. references of websites, books, graphics, animations, navigation design, etc.)
- provide brief descriptions on workbook to explain on the research you have done (e.g. as in how those resources inspire you, etc.)
- provide more in depth or detail sketches that are able to show your proposed interface designs, layout designs, and navigation designs
- site map can be produced as well in order to show the overview of the website structure and hierarchy
- do think about the colors schemes of the site (e.g. you may design digital layout of your web pages using Illustrator and/or Photoshop)
See you all then. Have fun working with your portfolio website.
Cheers,
yennee
plus she added a supposedly updated version of the 3 lesson 4 files in th first mail
she sent to everyone so can download from your mail
27 January 2010
hmm, where's all my posts ?
oh, ter-set the schedule thing wrongly
ohwell
anyway, new layout, more of you and less of me
who doesn't want that ?
but do look at the calendar once in a while
even if i don't update it
so lonely down there
anyway, should we remove the contact list ?
(symph, added spline thing)
ohwell
anyway, new layout, more of you and less of me
who doesn't want that ?
but do look at the calendar once in a while
even if i don't update it
so lonely down there
anyway, should we remove the contact list ?
(symph, added spline thing)
26 January 2010
24 January 2010
21 January 2010
20 January 2010
19 January 2010
14 January 2010
01 January 2010
30 December 2009
21 December 2009
17 December 2009
13 December 2009
editin and compositin
can still pass up on monday apparently
anyway, good luck for vst on wednesday everyone
anyway, good luck for vst on wednesday everyone
06 December 2009
04 December 2009
kelvin changed his mind
a notice for g1 cos i think g2 already knows
next week wednesday (9 dec)
kelvin wants us to come at 1030 cos the guy
who's going to come and give some lecture
is only free in the morning
g2 class is 1030 - 1430 while
g1 is 1430 - 1930 (hey, that's an hour extra)
anyway he want's us all to come cos
that week is last 3d class and he want's us
to make 'full use of his presence'
its a free class anyway, just come and du work
supposedly no lectures
next next wednesday is vst presentation
besides that has everyone paid their rm500 deposit yet ?
next week wednesday (9 dec)
kelvin wants us to come at 1030 cos the guy
who's going to come and give some lecture
is only free in the morning
g2 class is 1030 - 1430 while
g1 is 1430 - 1930 (hey, that's an hour extra)
anyway he want's us all to come cos
that week is last 3d class and he want's us
to make 'full use of his presence'
its a free class anyway, just come and du work
supposedly no lectures
next next wednesday is vst presentation
besides that has everyone paid their rm500 deposit yet ?
01 December 2009
24 November 2009
19 November 2009
bah
tiring 2 selling days over
now return to normal schedule
except friday and tuesday replacement
3d class 1 pm at 3d lab 3
did anyone go to say farewell to veronica ?
06 November 2009
03 November 2009
just a reminder
movie analysis book
for visual storytelling
deadline 13 november
before 5 pm
late 1 hour -10%
late 1 week -20%
then the end
22 October 2009
21 October 2009
in case anyone was wondering
the editing and compositing class there's no like
weekly assignments need to pass up only the really really
final one which the lecturer placed a folder in the server
but anytime you can show him your work and he'll give critique
16 October 2009
well ok
now vincent wants the representative
thing next week and to remind him that
g2 has a class before his
this friday some of you may have heard
there's going to be a video camera
'how to use session' at 2-4 which yongkang
said he'll tell us where but hasn't yet
we're waiting on pohhui to remind him
on where the location will be
08 October 2009
i have received information
that this fridays class,
that show movie and presentation one,
is 930 at J3 ah,
but everyone come early to transfer files
to the class computer,
oh and vincent said one representative of
every group come early next week to gamble
for a place in the A1 A2 place thing
02 October 2009
for business
well i was a bit confused when vincent guy
changed the thai restaurant thing into something
more general, but i think it's a bit better cos not
everyone can cook nyonya and or thai
anyway the files from the lecture i'll post tomorrow
cos i only got half of them from ben now
or is it later today
30 September 2009
in case some are not clear
on what to do next week animation
important one is sack must be finished
fully rigged and textured and stuff like that
i think
then some animation tests
like running and jumping
du one or more
then maybe 10% blocking for final animation
and optional are
more refined pose sheet and that playblast
thing if haven't pass up today
28 September 2009
i was told
for visual storytelling class
monday (5/10) done storyboard and book
friday (9/10) finish the short film
can start shooting film anytime
friday (2/10) no class cos the replacement is on 9
so fast have to finish the movie
25 September 2009
extra class
you know, that optional one which
you don't have to go and intended
only for those who have trouble in
class
yea, it's on saturday 4-6pm
after group2 class in 3d dglab 1
if saturday is not a good time
can always change next week orso
24 September 2009
so kevin said
he wants to have an OPTIONAL extra class
for weeks that the lecture is too hard and
wants to know when we prefer to have it
he's free whole day monday, friday and saturday
23 September 2009
16 September 2009
so next weeks assignment
just 3 things :
one
animated storyboard timing
pal, 25 f/ps, 768x576 square pixel ratio
two
sack turnaround
with texture and wireframe
same setting as above
three
sack keyposes
on a4 or something
like a4 size jpeg
digital
not paper
or something
15 September 2009
Friday replacement class for Visualstory Telling
Replacement class will be held at J3, same time as monday, said yong kang
14 September 2009
the adventures of priscilla
i thought it was a nice movie
cos
the beginning was funny
anyway, got homework for that
they want an essay on why you think
the movie was good and i think they
want to hear the technical side more
so the essay is somewhere around one
a4 page, nothing too long
oh, and friday replacement class for
last week monday
same time same place
be there be square
11 September 2009
thanks mr symph
anyway, so i hear there's going to be class on
monday (14) instead of monday (28) as the schedule says
bummer i say
but pass around the info to those who don't know
10 September 2009
animation storyboard
kevin wants to have a unified storyboard layout
for the proper animation storyboard we start
doing on week 2 and show on week 3
i propose we use this layout
http://dg078-1.googlegroups.com/web/2009+09+16+animation+storyboard.jpg?gda=1nOqgFYAAACKPVJzkUhXF5-QDzTzVtAGbnGzFgQBK0Y0F_nmUh__Oh5X9cgbNFzsKh1LxWbCkVNHr-VXx3CLTyqbYCY7JyibWSRz-Detb09CwKfN2BgOPBPhGuxsWDLdLep2NLleRSE&gsc=mWixvwsAAABFCqD1L8kuxjfvRMQCwkYV
any questions ?
for the proper animation storyboard we start
doing on week 2 and show on week 3
i propose we use this layout
http://dg078-1.googlegroups.com/web/2009+09+16+animation+storyboard.jpg?gda=1nOqgFYAAACKPVJzkUhXF5-QDzTzVtAGbnGzFgQBK0Y0F_nmUh__Oh5X9cgbNFzsKh1LxWbCkVNHr-VXx3CLTyqbYCY7JyibWSRz-Detb09CwKfN2BgOPBPhGuxsWDLdLep2NLleRSE&gsc=mWixvwsAAABFCqD1L8kuxjfvRMQCwkYV
any questions ?
09 September 2009
02 August 2009
21 July 2009
08 July 2009
13 June 2009
more class notes
the second half of the marketing notes has been uploaded
my internet's down the past week so blog/calendar will
probably not be updated
i should probably get somebody to post random stuffs
on this blog but there's always the cbox
the position is still open nevertheless
04 June 2009
29 May 2009
you've got (1) new spam
hoeyi gave me this stack of pamphlet things




to give to group2 but i'm lazy to do so
22 May 2009
hmm
forgot to put up yesterday
marketing powerpoint slides
http://groups.google.com.my/group/cb-marketing/fileshave a nice weekend
or i should say that tomorrow
16 May 2009
28 April 2009
24 April 2009
you have failed me
*a derivative of the TF administrators announcement
It saddens me that despite societies best efforts to instruct and better you, some of you insist on finding new ways to act immature. All public announcement boxes has been removed till further notice while contacts and personal information has been archived into a secure directory.
To the majority of you who did not see fit to act childish, you have my congratulations: I await the countless other ways you will inevitably disappoint me in the future.
Have a nice holiday.
21 April 2009
erm if anyone is reading
seamus called me, 430 something to be exact
he said he did not recieve many works
so he wants to pass a message
PASS UP AT 5 !!
complete or not a deadline is a deadline he says
anything later is not accepted
if you know anyone who has not finished tell them
20 April 2009
in case anyone wondering
tomorrow just pass up
straight to seamus at office
there is no class
so can sleep a bit late
pass up both cd
and print
and drawings
in an envelope
before 5
pm
19 April 2009
i got a scolding from seamus
anyway he said
i thought i made it very clear last class
we don't have time for individual critique
monday is a replacement class 10-1
i'm going to show some examples
if you got print your work can show me
and yadiyaidya
he also sounded very sick and sleepy
17 April 2009
concept art folder
in tree view
CA1_(index)_(name)
- reference files
- - character
- - environment
- - props_accessories
- - text
- submission april 21 2009
- - a3print_jpeg_200ppi
- - photoshop_layered
- - text_developedconcept_rationale
- - thumbs_sketches
- - - character
- - - environment
12 April 2009
08 April 2009
also a reminder
group1 got no marker rendering
but still come to class same place same time
to discuss photography model shoot on monday
lydia was generous enough to makeupartist for us
and also help decide theme and stuff like that
hey, we plan to join too
i asked mr tan if group1 can go with group2
he said he'll get back to me when the company calls back
02 April 2009
we are visiting......
VisionAnimationStudio...why? because more people can go....what other reason? because they do 3d too other than 2d. The date was to be on 17/04/09 or in case they couldnt let us in then it'll be at 20/04/09
you can visit their website on http://www.visionanimation.net/
check out their show reel too......http://visionanimation.net/about.htm
*p.s. this message is for group2 only
you can visit their website on http://www.visionanimation.net/
check out their show reel too......http://visionanimation.net/about.htm
*p.s. this message is for group2 only
31 March 2009
some announcement
concerning group1 photography
mr mat has this idea that the whole
class put their photography photo
files into one dvd
whoever agrees bring their files tomolo
14 March 2009
28 February 2009
g1 no class
the colour photos pass up next monday
it would be preferable to go in the morning
those who take ktm meet at station at 9
then meet those who self drive at museum
at 930 or 10 depending on how long train ride
if confirm go in the morning then tell others
who don't read this blog
and a reminder when we get to the museum
we buy our own tickets, collect attendance,
and after done give tickets to respective
monitors, happy museuming
last minuet stuff
well....someone told me that the museum was not open on monday BUT i called and confirm that they are OPEN so we'll be going on monday, if anyone of you wanna go by your own time, go ahead just remember to keep your tickets and write your name on it.
And i heard that G1 doenst have class on monday...can anyone confirm on that? If so, we can go in the morning and meet at the station at 9a.m...then after that come back early or go kl....which ever way you like.....XP
Oh..we'll be going alone coz AD ppl went today
*p.s. For those who are taking the KTM, we'll only meet at the station on 9.am. IF G1 doesnt have class otherwise 1.40p.m
Hope you guys are clear on this.....
And i heard that G1 doenst have class on monday...can anyone confirm on that? If so, we can go in the morning and meet at the station at 9a.m...then after that come back early or go kl....which ever way you like.....XP
Oh..we'll be going alone coz AD ppl went today
*p.s. For those who are taking the KTM, we'll only meet at the station on 9.am. IF G1 doesnt have class otherwise 1.40p.m
Hope you guys are clear on this.....
26 February 2009
art museum
we're going on the 2nd of march wif the AD ppl.....we'll be going after G1's class ends. As for transportation, you can either drive or take the KTM from subang parade and get off at the kuala lumpur KTM station *(1 stop after the KL Sentral station) the station is about 1 minute walk away from the museum.
For those that wants to use the KTM, we can meet at the station at 1.40pm and go in a group.
For those that wants to use the KTM, we can meet at the station at 1.40pm and go in a group.
24 February 2009
david called
he as an alternative if interested
we can book a van + 2 cars willing to drive
it's rm500 for 1 van so he said maybe
each person rm49/50
also subsidize rm100 for the 2 cars each
tell me what you want 2molo class
|: (
well, i called david and here's a clarification for group 1
apparently i was wrong, he wants us all to go pudu
group 2 got charted bus cos they share with IL ppl
so what he said for us is that b4 745 everyone at pudu
get a ride from those who can spare a ride or something
so yea, group 1 start saving go buy a bicycle
08 February 2009
real reel
Remember wat jason say about a show reel? Well here's the schedule. It'll be at AVH....
Part 1 10/2/09 (Tue) 2.00pm - 3.30pm
11/2/09 (Wed) 1.00pm - 2.30pm
Part 2 10/2/09 (Tue) 4.30pm - 6.00pm
12/2/09 (Thu) 10.30am-12.00pm
Part 3 13/2/09 (Fri) 12.30pm-2.00pm
17/2/09 (Tue) 2.00pm - 3.30pm
Part 1 10/2/09 (Tue) 2.00pm - 3.30pm
11/2/09 (Wed) 1.00pm - 2.30pm
Part 2 10/2/09 (Tue) 4.30pm - 6.00pm
12/2/09 (Thu) 10.30am-12.00pm
Part 3 13/2/09 (Fri) 12.30pm-2.00pm
17/2/09 (Tue) 2.00pm - 3.30pm
25 January 2009
21 January 2009
you have been reminded
For group 2 only....class replacement for conceptual rendering on 22/1/09 (thurs) from 1pm to 4pm at I4.
09 January 2009
08 January 2009
05 January 2009
division of class
is a bit of a problem
any news specific to g1 and g2
can be announced by me and tyling
respectively
but the calendar is now
rendered useless
04 January 2009
13 December 2008
02 December 2008
from syed
Do what you can. We preview tomorrow. Gd luck
and the above was the message from syed to gerad. Note that he say PREVIEW not PASS UP, sooo do ur best still.
and the above was the message from syed to gerad. Note that he say PREVIEW not PASS UP, sooo do ur best still.
28 November 2008
27 November 2008
hey hey
later if you send me your files
send to my gmail account
i can't get into my hotmail
for
like
the past 6 months
anyway i think if anything
better just give me direct tomorrow
cos i would assume video files
are like massive, and stuff
send to my gmail account
i can't get into my hotmail
for
like
the past 6 months
anyway i think if anything
better just give me direct tomorrow
cos i would assume video files
are like massive, and stuff
26 November 2008
turn around figure
is due tomorrow
or friday morning but don't risk it
i'll be bringing my laptop so you can
all pass the file and i burn the cd
or friday morning but don't risk it
i'll be bringing my laptop so you can
all pass the file and i burn the cd
25 November 2008
chnage of plan
the life drawing figure turn around file jus pass everything to gerad's laptop coz there was a slight problem with putting the file in the 2d lab computer........
24 November 2008
outlook of typo
research folder (pdf/website format)
- typeface research (x5)
. - highlight and summary
- applied examples (x30 or more)
. - plus comments
- explore found typo
. - a-z photo
- communication through type
. - eft (x3 or more) (A4)
. . - horizontal/vertical, b&w
. - visually enhanced quotation
. . - 10-12 thumbs and final
. . - softcopy and print A4
. - type-art-graphy
. . - self portrait 1 piece
- final project
. - my fav font poster (A3)
- typeface research (x5)
. - highlight and summary
- applied examples (x30 or more)
. - plus comments
- explore found typo
. - a-z photo
- communication through type
. - eft (x3 or more) (A4)
. . - horizontal/vertical, b&w
. - visually enhanced quotation
. . - 10-12 thumbs and final
. . - softcopy and print A4
. - type-art-graphy
. . - self portrait 1 piece
- final project
. - my fav font poster (A3)
23 November 2008
14 days or so
update!!update!! read all about it!!
Monday- critique session 2 for weapon/vehicle design
Tuesday- 30 minute test....she didnt say anything about critique
Wed- show walk cycle
thurs- submit evil character, research background design, submit figure turn around to me and gerad so we can burn the cd
friday- submit figure turn around
for the life drawing class's figure turn around, we'll be separating it into 2 cd, one for group 1 and the other for group 2, seniors will be include in group 1's cd can someone pls tell them?
i'll create a file in the 2d lab's computer which will be at MyDocument coz thats the only place we can delete unwanted file, by Thursday before moral class me and gerad will retrieve the file and burn it into the cd.
Monday- critique session 2 for weapon/vehicle design
Tuesday- 30 minute test....she didnt say anything about critique
Wed- show walk cycle
thurs- submit evil character, research background design, submit figure turn around to me and gerad so we can burn the cd
friday- submit figure turn around
for the life drawing class's figure turn around, we'll be separating it into 2 cd, one for group 1 and the other for group 2, seniors will be include in group 1's cd can someone pls tell them?
i'll create a file in the 2d lab's computer which will be at MyDocument coz thats the only place we can delete unwanted file, by Thursday before moral class me and gerad will retrieve the file and burn it into the cd.
14 November 2008
update
just to update the celander coz gerad can't use his laptop for certain reason and i can't change or add anything to the celander.
Monday-critique session for final project 2 (weapon/vehicle design)
Tues -critique session for final project (my fav fonts), at least 3 design, test will be one shot on 25/11
Wed- poncho animation
Thurs- submit good character design, start bad/evil character design
Fri-show process of turn around in muscle form and the form and muscle of 2 woman
i hope i didnt miss anything.....oh and someone suggested that we have a class outing after this sem is over, so any suggestion on where/what to go/do? Pls no sunway lagoon......
Monday-critique session for final project 2 (weapon/vehicle design)
Tues -critique session for final project (my fav fonts), at least 3 design, test will be one shot on 25/11
Wed- poncho animation
Thurs- submit good character design, start bad/evil character design
Fri-show process of turn around in muscle form and the form and muscle of 2 woman
i hope i didnt miss anything.....oh and someone suggested that we have a class outing after this sem is over, so any suggestion on where/what to go/do? Pls no sunway lagoon......
10 November 2008
yea, what symph said,
for those who may need to refer
to the design of the robot can
keep the original sketches
but i'm sure once you finish the
poster thing you'll have a copy
scanned in the computer already
anyway tomorrow pass up the toa
regrid thing
to the design of the robot can
keep the original sketches
but i'm sure once you finish the
poster thing you'll have a copy
scanned in the computer already
anyway tomorrow pass up the toa
regrid thing
07 November 2008
zy said
next week bring this weeks class assignment
he said no pass up today justnow because
he wants us to use it for our homework
or something, besides that
zuhra - bring your last sem figure in
perspective next week
koklong - you didn't come to class
3 times, 4th time and you fail
(stop not coming to this and other classes
lah so mah fan)
if anyone sees them before i do pls tell them
on a side note,
i got 10 peoples toa regrid thing
some didn't give jpg file so i do for them
except 2
nicky - toa.jpg link file is missing
yiling - sry, i don't have missing font
oh and monday no class
so either send me your .ai and .jpg file
to my gmail account or tuesday morning
the redo is optional but
the first version everyone must send
to ben - how dare you say the new colours are dull
he said no pass up today justnow because
he wants us to use it for our homework
or something, besides that
zuhra - bring your last sem figure in
perspective next week
koklong - you didn't come to class
3 times, 4th time and you fail
(stop not coming to this and other classes
lah so mah fan)
if anyone sees them before i do pls tell them
on a side note,
i got 10 peoples toa regrid thing
some didn't give jpg file so i do for them
except 2
nicky - toa.jpg link file is missing
yiling - sry, i don't have missing font
oh and monday no class
so either send me your .ai and .jpg file
to my gmail account or tuesday morning
the redo is optional but
the first version everyone must send
to ben - how dare you say the new colours are dull
06 November 2008
toa website regrid
still nobody pass me anything
pass me tomorrow or monday aah
but monday dunno got class or not
tuesday last day
but can't promise i'll come early
pass me tomorrow or monday aah
but monday dunno got class or not
tuesday last day
but can't promise i'll come early
05 November 2008
jason said
submit project part 1 next week wednesday 1600
he also remind to look at the project brief
in case anyone lost it or too lazy to read
here's a summary
battle robot design as original as possible
all joining / attachments clearly visible
layout must be all horizontal or all vertical
ink with artline and rendered with marker
then only scanned into computer
finishing can be done in photoshop
submission format in an envelope
cd
- photoshop file
- - layer preserved, rasterized fonts
- - layout neat, 1.5 cm / i inch margin
- - A3 size, 200 dpi
- jpeg copy
- research (softcopy don't repeat)
papers
- printout A3 (fold and put in A4 envelope)
- development sketches
- research (photostat from books)
- rational A4 print
- - history background story
- - why u want to use design
on envelope write name class index
tell also those who don't read this blog
he also remind to look at the project brief
in case anyone lost it or too lazy to read
here's a summary
battle robot design as original as possible
all joining / attachments clearly visible
layout must be all horizontal or all vertical
ink with artline and rendered with marker
then only scanned into computer
finishing can be done in photoshop
submission format in an envelope
cd
- photoshop file
- - layer preserved, rasterized fonts
- - layout neat, 1.5 cm / i inch margin
- - A3 size, 200 dpi
- jpeg copy
- research (softcopy don't repeat)
papers
- printout A3 (fold and put in A4 envelope)
- development sketches
- research (photostat from books)
- rational A4 print
- - history background story
- - why u want to use design
on envelope write name class index
tell also those who don't read this blog
04 November 2008
toa website regrid
yea, totally forgot about that
pass up softcopy to me tomorrow
or thursday or friday
so i can make cd
ai file with link
plus the remake if done
pass up softcopy to me tomorrow
or thursday or friday
so i can make cd
ai file with link
plus the remake if done
03 November 2008
02 November 2008
monday class
postpone to wed 11 am H1, pls inform others
i think it's the same like last week
group 1 go at 3 group 2 go at 11
i think it's the same like last week
group 1 go at 3 group 2 go at 11
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